Chairman speaks!

[Rimshot]

It's far from easy; that's precisely the reason that the basics should be done properly and with some sense of urgency !

[Garawa]

Good post Baronnight, I thought it was hypothetical at first until you said. I suppose I am as guilty as any when judging by results but then I suppose that's what sacks the managers in the first place.

[Rimshot]

Yep, Tony Pulis complete rubbish and, incidentally voted premiership manager of the season...by people who know nothing about football of course.

[Elgrande]

I think you miss the point rimshot. I think Baron was trying to say if you purely look at statistics Pulis would not be top of the list of candidates. There are lots of names get bandied about many of those are out of work. Most managers that are out of work have been sacked or resigned due to bad results, but others who are still working could have even worse statistics, but manage for clubs with less expectancy. Since Hess we have had one old school (Ternant) who ultimately failed, but was hero. His assistant who was an unmitigated disaster, a young ambitious manager who was vilified from day one, a club legend for the second time, a pitbull of a manager who has a track record of doing great things initially and then falls out with everyone then we went back to the manager who is the only manager in our history to have got us into the second tier.
For some reason our fanbase seem to expect a "name" manager and think having someone from non-league is an insult. Managers are attracted by many things and one of them is support. The others will be facilities, players, chairman and potential. Support used to be a big plus for us, now it is the opposite, facilities, better than most at our level, players; Ok not sensational, but something to build on, chairman an a-hole and potential not as great as once was and struggle to sell out even at Championship level.
Based on that we will either get someone who will hope to use the Gills as a stepping stone or someone who wants to try and prove themselves again, but might not quite have the ambition anymore. A lot of managers will shy away from the negativity that has prevailed for a few years now from the fans as it is not worth the hassle, others will run a million miles from Scally, but whoever we get the fans owe it to the club to get behind him (or her) in public, they might voice their concerns in the pub, but let's not have a repeat of the Stimson situation which in my opinion was an absolute disgrace and a stain on the club.

[Robpthegills]

I am not after a supposed "name" as as a manager. My thoughts have always been that we cannot afford one.

As for the negativity surrounding the club. I think its at most clubs. Maybe Southampton, Chelsea and Ipswich have happy bunnies at the moment, but most fans at most clubs have higher levels of expectancy than the club can afford.

I would like to point out a couple of points Elg. When we used to go to the gills in the seventies, we had a crap ground, crap facilities but it was our club and we loved it. We didnt expect much and to be fair we didnt get much.
So WHY is our expectancy levels so high now. Because we have a chairman that regularly punts out stories about new investors, new fancy stadiums, and playing premiership football. So excuse fans for thinking that it might happen.

Scally has put the false expectancy levels at the club, not the fans. Up to a point whatever manager we have at the club he will fail. How can he succeed. He will be given a reasonable budget to attain div 1 status, but have the chairman promising the world, leading the fans to feel the manager is failing.

We have shown in the past that as a club we dont want a load of has beens coming to our club for a final pay day. (Thomson, Wallace) however I did love watching the former when he was fit. So why do we want it as a manger.

James Beattie is telling us he is trailing managers to learn his trade. Sorry didnt this man play for southampton and blackburn, surely he must now how the top teams train etc etc.

Whoever we get I will get behind, but the most important thing is to support the manager. Not just support from the fans but from the Chairman.

Meanwhile, the chairman needs to shut his clap trap, and stop dreaming and get on with dealing with us in this division. Even Ebbsfleet have found an investor. Truth is I dont care if we do not get one. I am happy with us being a club that deals with what we have and plays football at a level we can afford. BUT I am tired of a chairman who keeps spouting bullshit

[Rimshot]

I'm not missing the point at all. Pulis's win ratio will be determined partly by the clubs he has managed at - for example if you manage in the premiership but outside the top four or five clubs, the stats are going to suffer accordingly. It's what you can get out of the assets at your disposal that determines your value as a manager. Keeping a smaller club in the Premiership would be a massive success even if you won nothing and finished just outside the relegation scrap.

I've never suggested for a minute that the new manager needs to be a 'name', Pulis wasn't when he came to GFC. Equally, deriding Beattie for the Accrington experience and his own admission that he has much to learn seems to me irrational. He is not trying to do anything but get an honest job in football, rather than ponce about trading on his one England cap or whatever it was. I don't know if he would make a good manager but if you don't speak to these guys how can you begin to make an assessment of them as people?

What tees me off is Scally pontificating about fans, investors and new grounds when he can't even be bothered to do the basics of his job as chairman.

[baronnight]

Just to clarify my Tony Pulis stats, they were the stats for his time at Bournmouth from June 1992 until may 1994, just prior to getting the job with us.

[Robpthegills]

Going back to one of the original points of the thread.

Everybodys expectations are based on information received. Scally keeps telling us about the premiership, but then he cannot apparently handle a falling out with the manager so sacks him on the spot, at a time when we needed leadership and guidance, he removed it.

He then if you read his statement correctly, didnt do a lot and only started talking aobut getting to grips with things a couple of weeks after the sacking. How is this good for Gillingham FC.

Callous as it might sound, if he was a good chairman he would have bit his tongue with Taylor, started the process of looking for a new man and then binned Taylor once he had a rough idea, or been able to return to the UK straight away to start the process.

Oh well, we have no choice but to get on with it, I guess.

[gillsfan1066]

Think I have come to the conclusion that due to lack of interest we keep the gang of four ,if we stay up up then we promote one of them to manager next year and if we go down then I guess we look for a new manager at the end of the season when a ton of the old retreads become available.
As for hiring a manager because he lives nearer to GFC than his present club,I find that laughable and here is a suggestion for him , MOVE to where your job is,the rest of us have to.